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Why does "Q" mean another tournament?

Qed237, when you reverted my edit of the status indicator, your edit summary says that the "Q" status means another tournament, while "A" is this tournament. How do you figure that? The explanation note for "Q" is "Qualified to the phase indicated" - it doesn't indicate in any way whether it's the same or a different tournament. And, since the Qualification column of the table says "Advance to knockout phase" then the "Q" status is very clear--the team has qualified to the "phase indicated," in this case the knockout phase of the champions league. As I stated in my edit summary, the "Advances to further round" status is ambiguous since there are 2 rounds/phases/stages/whatever that teams here can qualify for; a team that has clinched at least 3rd place "advances to a further round" because they can still reach either of the 2 further rounds. LarryJeff (talk) 23:02, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

This is simply the way these statusletters always has been used. Since this is a Champions League table, "further round" is a round in the Champions League while if you will play an other tournament you qualify for that tournament. Qed237 (talk) 23:24, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
"The way it's always been done" is, honestly, irrelevant in my opinion. I'm interested in making the information as clear and simple as possible for the reader. Do you disagree with me that someone who doesn't know how it's "always been done" would see the current usage as ambiguous? Using the format of the UEFA Champions League as an example, both the A and Q status notes would be true statements about a team that has clinched no worse than group runner-up in the current stage. "A" is true because the team is advancing to a further round. "Q" is true because the team has qualified for the phase indicated on their line of the standings table. While both are true, the "Q" is more narrow and removes any question, whereas the "A" just indicates to the casual reader that the team is advancing to "some" further round. Why not be as precise as we can, especially when it doesn't unnecessarily add text to the article? As for Q meaning they've qualified for another tournament, the explanatory note for that status doesn't say they've qualified to the "tournament" indicated, it says the "phase" indicated, which means whatever is listed in the table, such as the "knockout phase" of this tournament. LarryJeff (talk) 22:41, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
That being said, I do like the way the "X" status is being used, with the explanation that they are assured no worse than Europa transfer, but can still make the knockout stage. LarryJeff (talk) 22:46, 5 November 2015 (UTC)