Wikipedia:C2C
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy
Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category page with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
or{{subst:cfm-speedy|Merge target}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
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Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on G7.
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:
- Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.
The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes
- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
- Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices
- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names
Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name
- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
- Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.
C2E: Author request
- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous page
- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use
{{subst:cfm-speedy}}
(speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).
When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions
- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
(The four ~ will sign and datestamp the entry automatically.)
If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:
* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 19:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 187 open requests (refresh).
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Current requests
Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:Spanish society by autonomous community to Category:Society of Spain by autonomous community – C2C: Parent Category:Society of Spain. NLeeuw (talk) 19:24, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Catalan culture by city to Category:Culture of Catalonia by city – C2C: Parent Category:Culture of Catalonia. NLeeuw (talk) 19:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Song recordings produced by David Stewart (songwriter and producer) to Category:Song recordings produced by David Stewart (Dynamite producer) – C2D * Pppery * it has begun... 18:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Songs written by David Stewart (songwriter and producer) to Category:Songs written by David Stewart (Dynamite producer) – C2D * Pppery * it has begun... 18:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Albums produced by Dave Stewart (keyboardist) to Category:Albums produced by Dave Stewart (musician, born 1950) – C2D * Pppery * it has begun... 17:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Dave Stewart (keyboardist) songs to Category:Dave Stewart (musician, born 1950) songs – C2D * Pppery * it has begun... 17:44, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Supercopa Libertadores Finals to Category:Supercopa Libertadores finals – C2D: List of Supercopa Libertadores finals. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:32, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Nigerian women's national basketball team players to Category:Nigeria women's national basketball team players – C2D: Nigeria women's national basketball team. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:44, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Nigerian men's national basketball team players to Category:Nigeria men's national basketball team players – C2D: Nigeria men's national basketball team. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:40, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian men's national basketball team players to Category:Canada men's national basketball team players – C2D: Canada men's national basketball team. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:38, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Guinean music to Category:Music of Guinea – C2D: Music of Guinea. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Grenadian music to Category:Music of Grenada – C2D: Music of Grenada. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ghanaian music to Category:Music of Ghana – C2D: Music of Ghana. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Turkmenistan music to Category:Music of Turkmenistan – C2D: Music of Turkmenistan. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:56, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:President of Welsh Tribunals to Category:Presidents of Welsh Tribunals – C2A: Plural WP:SETCAT — RAVENPVFF · talk · 13:55, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ugandan music to Category:Music of Uganda – C2D: Music of Uganda. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Togolese music to Category:Music of Togo – C2D: Music of Togo. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:51, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tunisian music to Category:Music of Tunisia – C2D: Music of Tunisia. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:51, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Thai music to Category:Music of Thailand – C2D: Music of Thailand. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:50, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tanzanian music to Category:Music of Tanzania – C2D: Music of Tanzania. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:50, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tajikistani music to Category:Music of Tajikistan – C2D: Music of Tajikistan. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Taiwanese music to Category:Music of Taiwan – C2D: Music of Taiwan. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Syrian music to Category:Music of Syria – C2D: Music of Syria. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Uzbekistani music to Category:Music of Uzbekistan – C2D: Music of Uzbekistan. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:28, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Vietnamese music to Category:Music of Vietnam – C2D: Music of Vietnam. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Yemeni music to Category:Music of Yemen – C2D: Music of Yemen. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Zimbabwean music to Category:Music of Zimbabwe – C2D: Music of Zimbabwe. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Zambian music to Category:Music of Zambia – C2D: Music of Zambia. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cambodian music to Category:Music of Cambodia – C2D: Music of Cambodia. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:24, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cameroonian music to Category:Music of Cameroon – C2D: Music of Cameroon. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:24, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Kenyan music to Category:Music of Kenya – C2D: Music of Kenya. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:24, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:South Korean music to Category:Music of South Korea – C2D: Music of South Korea. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:23, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Korean music to Category:Music of Korea – C2C. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:North Korean music to Category:Music of North Korea – C2D: [[Music of North Korea]. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Laotian music to Category:Music of Laos – C2D: Music of Laos. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:16, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Lebanese music to Category:Music of Lebanon – C2D: Music of Lebanon. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:16, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:South African music to Category:Music of South Africa – C2D: Music of South Africa. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:15, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:South Sudanese music to Category:Music of South Sudan – C2C. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:13, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sikh warriors who died in battle to Category:Sikh warriors killed in action – C2C: also WP:C2E. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:36, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sri Lankan music to Category:Music of Sri Lanka – C2D: Music of Sri Lanka. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sudanese music to Category:Music of Sudan – C2D: Music of Sudan. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Republic of the Congo music to Category:Music of the Republic of the Congo – C2D: Music of the Republic of the Congo. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Eastern Ukraine offensive to Category:Eastern Ukraine campaign – C2D per Eastern Ukraine campaign – Family27390 (talk) 12:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swazi music to Category:Music of Eswatini – C2D per Music of Eswatini – Fayenatic London 10:02, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Emirati music to Category:Music of the United Arab Emirates per Music of the United Arab Emirates
- Category:Cultural depictions of the British Royal Family by medium to Category:Cultural depictions of the British royal family by medium – C2C: Main category is Category:British royal family WikiEditor50 (talk) 08:39, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Portraits of the British Royal Family to Category:Portraits of the British royal family – C2C: Main category is Category:British royal family WikiEditor50 (talk) 08:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cultural depictions of the British Royal Family to Category:Cultural depictions of the British royal family – C2C: Main category is Category:British royal family WikiEditor50 (talk) 08:35, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sahrawi music to Category:Music of Western Sahara – C2D per Music of Western Sahara – Fayenatic London 08:11, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Computer topical history overviews to Category:History of computing – C2C: Consistency with established category tree names, namely Category:History of technology. DigitalIceAge (talk) 19:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Norwegian music by city to Category:Music of Norway by city – C2C: Parent is Category:Music of Norway. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:04, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Wikipedia Good Article reviewers to Category:Wikipedia good article reviewers – C2B: cf. recent renaming of Wikipedia good article contributors. Queen of ♡ | speak 17:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Faroese music to Category:Music of the Faroe Islands – C2D: Music of the Faroe Islands. NLeeuw (talk) 15:39, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:TV3 (Norway) original programming to Category:TV3 (Norwegian TV channel) original programming – C2C per Category:TV3 (Norwegian TV channel), renamed without this one – Fayenatic London 14:37, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:TV3 (Norway) people to Category:TV3 (Norwegian TV channel) people
- Category:Ipê to Category:Ipê, Rio Grande do Sul – C2D per Ipê, Rio Grande do Sul. Necessary disalbiguation from Ipê, a tree. – Fayenatic London 11:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Stanisław Lem fictional characters to Category:Stanisław Lem characters – C2C. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:51, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ruler's of Gohad to Category:Rulers of Gohad – C2A. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Maharaja of Jind to Category:Maharajas of Jind – C2C: add plural -s, it is a set category, like its parent and siblings. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Communist Party secretaries of Rehe Province to Category:CCP committee secretaries of Rehe Province – C2A: Consistent with similar sub-categories in this category Amigao (talk) 02:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Secretaries of the Communist Party Shanghai Committee to Category:CCP committee secretaries of Shanghai – C2A: Consistent with similar sub-categories in this category Amigao (talk) 02:04, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Communist Party Committee Secretaries of Taiyuan to Category:CCP committee secretaries of Taiyuan – C2A: Consistent with similar sub-categories in this category Amigao (talk) 02:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Communist Party secretaries of Xi'an to Category:CCP committee secretaries of Xi'an – C2A: consistent naming with sub-categories in this category Amigao (talk) 02:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:National Football League draft to Category:NFL draft per this discussion - C2B - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 00:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:South American culture by country to Category:Culture of South America by country – C2C: Parent Category:Culture of South America. NLeeuw (talk) 22:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Oceanian culture to Category:Culture of Oceania – C2D: Culture of Oceania. NLeeuw (talk) 22:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Flemish playwrights to Category:Flemish dramatists and playwrights – C2C: parent is Belgian dramatists and playwrights Mason (talk) 21:19, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Southeast Asian music to Category:Music of Southeast Asia – C2D: Music of Southeast Asia. NLeeuw (talk) 17:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Central Asian music to Category:Music of Central Asia – C2D: Music of Central Asia. NLeeuw (talk) 17:35, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:East Asian music to Category:Music of East Asia – C2C: Parent Category:Music of Asia. Music industry of East Asia serves as the main-ish article. NLeeuw (talk) 17:33, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:South Asian music to Category:Music of South Asia – C2C: Parent Category:Music of Asia. NLeeuw (talk) 17:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sikh military to Category:Military of the Sikh Empire – C2C: Parents Category:Sikh Empire and Category:Military by former country. Siblings in Category:Military by former country. NLeeuw (talk) 17:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: this requires more discussion because there is lots of content in the category that pre-dates the Sikh Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle You're probably right. Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 19#Category:Sikh military. NLeeuw (talk) 14:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: this requires more discussion because there is lots of content in the category that pre-dates the Sikh Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tatar music to Category:Music of Tatarstan – C2D: Music of Tatarstan. NLeeuw (talk) 05:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests
- Category:A24 (company) films to Category:A24 films – C2D: unambiguous Schierbecker (talk) 19:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy. Category talk:A24 (company) films Hyphenation Expert (talk) 05:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American female winemakers to Category:American women winemakers – Reason C2C: per siblings in Category:American women by occupation. TSventon (talk) 20:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
- None currently
Moved to full discussion
- Category:Neo-Latin writers to Category:Writers in Neo-Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 01:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This is not very natural language. It is inconsistent with the same level categories "Classical Latin-language writers", "Latin-language writers of late antiquity", "Medieval Latin-language writers", "Old Latin-language writers", and "Renaissance Latin-language writers".
- This is because "Neo-Latin" etc are actually styles, that are associated with a period. Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Latin-language writers of late antiquity to Category:Writers of late antiquity in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Classical Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Classical Latin – C2C: Parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Old Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Old Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds clumsy. Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Renaissance Latin-language writers to Category:Renaissance writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds weird per others Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval Latin-language writers to Category:Medieval writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same. These sound weird. Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- But these are not "by period"; they are "by style". This especially true for Neo-Latin. The periods and styles often coincide, but not precisely. Better would be to follow the styles defined in the articles, so:
- Old Latin writers
- Classical Latin writers
- Medieval Latin writers
- Renaissance Latin writers
- Neo-Latin Latin writers
- I've explained elsewhere that the periods and styles are not precise. For instance, a writer in the Renaissance may have employed Medieval Latin, or Renaissance Latin; and some may define their Renaissance Latin as Neo-Latin. These are stylistic boundaries which roughly match period, but it is the style, not the period, that determines their classifications. Jim Killock (talk) 19:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that the whole category structure is used to amalgamate and conflate these two ideas. I don't have an easy solution to it, that doesn't involve some work. It's reasonable to say that a C12th Medieval Latin writer used Medieval Latin, or a C20th writer uses Neo-Latin. Boundary centuries seem debateable. However, the structure makes an absolute assumption, that century and style are the same, except where I started to break it up. This has come up in two recent discussions, the other being when someone wanted to remove my boundary category. But it's clear that the intention was that Category:Classical Latin-language writers should contain Classical Latin writers, ie be a style category, not a time category. Likewise, Late Latin and Neo-Latin. There can be doubt about medieval Latin because of it seems to refer to a period rather than a style; however as it is a set of style categories we should assume it is about style, likewise for Renaissance Latin. The fact that the categories group information from centuries is a laziness, nothing more. In short it is a mess but it is only made worse by changing the names to appear to refer to time periods, some of which don't really exist (Classical Latin isn't a time, nor is Latin Latin, nor is Neo-Latin).
- Category:Writers in Classical Latin; Category:Writers in Neo-Latin - these all refer to a style; they are acceptable from that perspective, but they sounds strange / clumsy to my ear; the natural way to say is Category:Classical Latin writers, Category:Neo-Latin writers, or as close to that as WP allows.
- Taking one example to show why the suggested formulation can sound wrong. Category:Writers in Old Latin; Old Latin is recognised as a phase of Latin, rather than a "style" of Latin, so a bit different, but it functions the same. It is like Old English, not quite the same as Modern English. So, "writers in Old Latin" doesn't work because You [verb] in [language]; you don't [person] in [language]. It is either People writing in Old Latin or Old Latin writers. So Category:Old Latin writers sounds better, another option would be Category:Writers using Old Latin.
- Category:Renaissance writers in Latin; Category:Medieval writers in Latin - refer to a time period and remove the style names. These would need to be Category:Writers in Renaissance Latin; Category:Writers in Medieval Latin. This is not great English, most natural would be Category:Medieval Latin writers, Category: Renaissance Latin writers
- So there seems to be some inconsistency of approach in the current suggestion, as well as a somewhat clumsy use of "in" that isn't needed.
- It has taken me some time to pinpoint the issue with "in"; but I think it is because language can be either a noun or an adjective. When it is a style, describing how someone writes, "Classical Latin" etc, is an adjective. If "Classical Latin" is an adjective, then "in" shouldn't be used. If "Classical Latin" is a noun, as with "Classical Latin" the topic then "in" is possible, eg "Grammar in Classical Latin", or "They write in Classical Latin". As an adjective, it works as "Classical Latin writers". --Jim Killock (talk) 00:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 15#Category:Neo-Latin writers. NLeeuw (talk) 17:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- But these are not "by period"; they are "by style". This especially true for Neo-Latin. The periods and styles often coincide, but not precisely. Better would be to follow the styles defined in the articles, so:
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tamil language encyclopedias to Category:Tamil-language encyclopedias – C2A: MOS:HYPHEN –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:39, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Tamil per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
Encyclopedias in Fooian
. I already proposed Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch. I recommend we follow the recent renaming of Category:Texts by language, Category:Songs by language, and others to this sameThings in Fooian
naming convention for clarity and consistency. NLeeuw (talk) 00:29, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Tamil per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
- Category:Bengali encyclopedias to Category:Bengali-language encyclopedias – C2C: Category:Bengali-language literature, etc. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Bengali per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
Encyclopedias in Fooian
. I already proposed Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch. I recommend we follow the recent renaming of Category:Texts by language, Category:Songs by language, and others to this sameThings in Fooian
naming convention for clarity and consistency. NLeeuw (talk) 00:30, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Bengali per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
- Category:Albanian encyclopedias to Category:Albanian-language encyclopedias – C2C: Category:Belarusian-language literature, etc. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:37, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Albanian per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
Encyclopedias in Fooian
. I already proposed Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch. I recommend we follow the recent renaming of Category:Texts by language, Category:Songs by language, and others to this sameThings in Fooian
naming convention for clarity and consistency. NLeeuw (talk) 00:31, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Albanian per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
- Category:Belarusian encyclopedias to Category:Belarusian-language encyclopedias – C2C: Category:Belarusian-language literature, etc. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:37, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Belarusian per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
Encyclopedias in Fooian
. I already proposed Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch. I recommend we follow the recent renaming of Category:Texts by language, Category:Songs by language, and others to this sameThings in Fooian
naming convention for clarity and consistency. NLeeuw (talk) 00:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Belarusian per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
- @LaundryPizza03 and Nederlandse Leeuw: either you have to agree on something, or this should be moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- There are several similar CfD's that are ongoing, such as Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_1#Category:Dutch_encyclopedias, so I'd go to full. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:32, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Going full is fine with me. I hope we end up with a naming convention that is consistently applied. LP's speedy proposals are an improvement, and a fine intermediate step, but if we could skip that step and rename them all to
Encyclopedias in Fooian
in one go, well, all the better. :) NLeeuw (talk) 07:10, 5 April 2024 (UTC)- @LaundryPizza03 Is it okay if I add these 4 proposals of yours to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_1#Category:Dutch_encyclopedias in order to centralise the discussion? I'll have
Encyclopedias in Fooian
(my proposal) as Option 1 andFooian-language encyclopedias
(your proposal) as Option 2. NLeeuw (talk) 07:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)- PS: I recommend we keep the discussion about splitting Bulgarian encyclopedias separate. (I agree with your proposal to split them; we could always change the 2nd target's name based on the outcome of the Dutch &c. encyclopedias discussion). NLeeuw (talk) 07:21, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:27, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 1#Category:Dutch encyclopedias. I'll update the LP's 4 nominees' tags as well, with LP's proposed name and linking to my expanded nom. NLeeuw (talk) 16:29, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03 Is it okay if I add these 4 proposals of yours to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_1#Category:Dutch_encyclopedias in order to centralise the discussion? I'll have
- Going full is fine with me. I hope we end up with a naming convention that is consistently applied. LP's speedy proposals are an improvement, and a fine intermediate step, but if we could skip that step and rename them all to
- There are several similar CfD's that are ongoing, such as Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_1#Category:Dutch_encyclopedias, so I'd go to full. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:32, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03 and Nederlandse Leeuw: either you have to agree on something, or this should be moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Scholars of Mycenaean Greek to Category:Linguists of Mycenaean Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:47, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Medieval Greek to Category:Linguists of Medieval Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Koine Greek to Category:Linguists of Koine Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Ancient Greek to Category:Linguists of Ancient Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Greek language to Category:Linguists of Greek – C2C: Siblings in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:44, 3 April 2024 (UTC)- Comment Nederlandse Leeuw, I don't think the categories for Scholars of Greek are suitable for speedy renaming as the categories contain a mixture of scholars of Greek language and literature. Also Latin is the other classical language and there is no Category:Linguists of Latin. TSventon (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon I discussed thus with @Fayenatic london in another thread (about Category:Grammarians of Persian), he thought it was a good idea. It's virtually impossible to study the literature of a language without also studying the language itself. (I've been studying Old East Slavic as an amateur lately, because I want to write about Rus' chronicles on Wikipedia). Also, Category:Latinists exists; it currently serves the same function as a Category:Linguists of Latin would. NLeeuw (talk) 02:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nederlandse Leeuw, I have looked at the content of the categories and am suggesting that these categories are not suitable for speedy renaming. I am happy for the CfD admins to accept or reject my argument. Studying the literature of a language generally involves studying the language itself, but some academics focus more on literature and others on liguistic topics and this is reflected in our categories. Category:Latinists exists and has a Greek counterpart, Category:Hellenists. TSventon (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. I'm not convinced this makes them unsuitable for speedy renaming, but we'll see. Otherwise I'm happy to move to full, although I think it's unnecessary. NLeeuw (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think this kind of discussion is better held at a full CfD than here. Ymblanter (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 5#Category:Scholars of Greek language. NLeeuw (talk) 10:06, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think this kind of discussion is better held at a full CfD than here. Ymblanter (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. I'm not convinced this makes them unsuitable for speedy renaming, but we'll see. Otherwise I'm happy to move to full, although I think it's unnecessary. NLeeuw (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nederlandse Leeuw, I have looked at the content of the categories and am suggesting that these categories are not suitable for speedy renaming. I am happy for the CfD admins to accept or reject my argument. Studying the literature of a language generally involves studying the language itself, but some academics focus more on literature and others on liguistic topics and this is reflected in our categories. Category:Latinists exists and has a Greek counterpart, Category:Hellenists. TSventon (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon I discussed thus with @Fayenatic london in another thread (about Category:Grammarians of Persian), he thought it was a good idea. It's virtually impossible to study the literature of a language without also studying the language itself. (I've been studying Old East Slavic as an amateur lately, because I want to write about Rus' chronicles on Wikipedia). Also, Category:Latinists exists; it currently serves the same function as a Category:Linguists of Latin would. NLeeuw (talk) 02:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Nederlandse Leeuw, I don't think the categories for Scholars of Greek are suitable for speedy renaming as the categories contain a mixture of scholars of Greek language and literature. Also Latin is the other classical language and there is no Category:Linguists of Latin. TSventon (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
PLEASE NOTE: I have moved all of the following Categories here pending adequate confirmation of their eligibility under C2C. I made a serious effort to look for that, but was unable to find such confirmation. There is a massive jumbled welter of Categories in this realm, with no prevailing pattern that I can discern. Anomalous+0 (talk) 07:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:20th-century Canadian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:20th-century Canadian people by descent – C2C: Special:Diff/1196829100 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian people by century and ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian people by century and descent – C2C: Special:Diff/1196829100 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:20th-century American people by ethnic or national origin to Category:20th-century American people by descent – C2C: Special:Diff/1195787538. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American people by century and ethnic or national origin to Category:American people by century and decent – C2C: Special:Diff/1195787538. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Male actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Male actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Male television actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Male television actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television actresses by ethnic or national descent to Category:Television actresses by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Actresses by ethnic or national descent to Category:Actresses by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Television actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:29, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Anomalous+0, I have linked Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 10#Container categories by descent down below; is that not enough? 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:02, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
++
- Category:American rappers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American rappers by descent – C2C: See also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 10#Container categories by descent for all the ones below. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Members of the United States Congress by ethnic or national origin to Category:Members of the United States Congress by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian musicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian musicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American gangsters by ethnic or national origin to Category:American gangsters by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Northern Mariana Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Northern Mariana Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American social scientists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American social scientists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian people by ethnic or national origin and century to Category:Canadian people by descent and century – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Romanian people by ethnic or national origin and occupation to Category:Romanian people by descent and occupation – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Murdered American people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Murdered American people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American sculptors by ethnic or national origin to Category:American sculptors by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American people by ethnic or national origin and century to Category:American people by descent and century – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American classical musicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American classical musicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American male actors by ethnic or national origin to Category:American male actors by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American singers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American singers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Malaysian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Malaysian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:French politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:French politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Dutch politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Dutch politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Transnistrian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Transnistrian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Brazilian actresses by ethnic or national origin to Category:Brazilian actresses by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:East German people by ethnic or national origin to Category:East German people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American actresses by ethnic or national origin to Category:American actresses by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Hawaii people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Hawaii people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Filipino politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Filipino politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Middle Eastern people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Middle Eastern people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Moldovan politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Moldovan politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cebuano people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Cebuano people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swedish politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Swedish politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American photographers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American photographers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Indonesian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Indonesian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Romanian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Romanian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American academics by ethnic or national origin to Category:American academics by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American short story writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American short story writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American novelists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American novelists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American dramatists and playwrights by ethnic or national origin to Category:American dramatists and playwrights by descent – C2A. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American poets by ethnic or national origin to Category:American poets by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian trade unionists by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian trade unionists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian families by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian families by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:00, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Turks and Caicos Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Turks and Caicos Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Montserratian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Montserratian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Manx people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Manx people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Jersey people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Jersey people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Guernsey people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Guernsey people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Caymanian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Caymanian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:United States Virgin Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:United States Virgin Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sint Maarten people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Sint Maarten people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Saint Martinois people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Saint Martinois people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Martiniquais people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Martiniquais people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People from Overseas France by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from Overseas France by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Guadeloupean people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Guadeloupean people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Curaçao people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Curaçao people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Aruban people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Aruban people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Caribbean people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Caribbean people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Anguillan people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Anguillan people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:British writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:British writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Welsh people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Welsh people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Scottish people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Scottish people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People from Northern Ireland by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from Northern Ireland by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:53, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American trade unionists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American trade unionists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American scientists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American scientists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American professional wrestlers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American professional wrestlers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American physicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American physicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American musicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American musicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American models by ethnic or national origin to Category:American models by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American military personnel by ethnic or national origin to Category:American military personnel by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American lawyers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American lawyers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American journalists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American journalists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American film directors by ethnic or national origin to Category:American film directors by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American educators by ethnic or national origin to Category:American educators by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American comedians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American comedians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American aviators by ethnic or national origin to Category:American aviators by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American artists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American artists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American architects by ethnic or national origin to Category:American architects by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:47, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American actors by ethnic or national origin to Category:American actors by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:47, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American activists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American activists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American people by occupation and ethnic or national origin to Category:American people by occupation and descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American people by ethnic or national origin and occupation to Category:American people by descent and occupation – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:44, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:English people by ethnic or national origin to Category:English people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now to all by ethnic or national origin nominations. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 08:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- The existing wording sounds more natural and is easier to understand. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 14:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- A first attempt to resolve this is here at full discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_30#Category:English_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_9#Category:Swedish_politicians_by_ethnic_or_national_origin. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Check Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion for out of process deletions. In some cases, these will need to be nominated for discussion and the editor who emptied the category informed that they should follow the WP:CFD process.
Once the renaming has been completed, copy and paste the listing to the Ready for deletion section of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Manual.