Wikipedia:Media copyright questions


Media copyright questions

Welcome to the Media Copyright Questions page, a place for help with image copyrights, tagging, non-free content, and related questions. For all other questions please see Wikipedia:Questions.

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Is The Golem: How He Came into the World in the Public Domain?


Is the movie The Golem: How He Came into the World in the public domain for our purposes? Please notify me on my talk page, and thanks :) Tyrone Madera (talk) 20:18, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Is this the wrong page to ask this question? Tyrone Madera (talk) 17:24, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
@Tyrone Madera It is out of copyright in the US having been published prior to 1 January 1926. It's German copyright situation is more complicated. According to this website "the term of protection is the life and 70 years after the death of the longest surviving of a group of authors consisting of the main director, the author of the film script, the author of the dialogue, and the composer of any music created for the film." As a silent film the last two can be discounted in this case. The others appear to be Paul Wegener (died 1948), Carl Boese (died 1958) and Henrik Galeen (died 1949) which means the copyright will run until 31 December 2028 - 70 years after Boese's death. Nthep (talk) 19:51, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Nthep, Would that be different for the English version, which was released separately by a separate company in the United States, and would therefore be subject to US copyright law? Ergo the (English) work is a US work as published in the US separately before 1926? Tyrone Madera (talk) 03:18, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
@Tyrone Madera The production company doesn't matter. Any version released prior to 1926 anywhere is out of copyright in the US (see commons:Commons:Hirtle chart the section of works published outside the US). It's the German copyright that hasn't yet expired- for use on Commons a work has to be out of copyright in both the US and its source country. Here there is no escaping that it is a film produced and released in Germany and even though separately released in the US is a German film to which German copyright law applies. The version you've uploaded to Commons also has an issue with the soundtrack, this will have it's own copyright that has to be explained. Nthep (talk) 08:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Nthep, You mentioned Commons specifically. Is it different for uploading to Wikipedia itself? Tyrone Madera (talk) 13:25, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
@Tyrone Madera Yes, see c:Commons:Licensing and Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights, files hosted on commons have to public domain in both the US and the source country. Files hosted on this Wikipedia have to be public domain in the US even if not public domain in the source country. So the file you uploaded to Commons that is nominated for deletion would be acceptable here using the licence template {{PD-US-expired-abroad}} and with the soundtrack removed. Any upload here is only valid for use on this Wikipedia so you couldn't, for example, link to it from the German Wikipedia. Nthep (talk) 13:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Nthep, Thank you for your help clarifying. I have a few more questions now (if that is okay with you). Was the soundtrack released after 1926, or is there a separate reason that the film cannot contain the original score? Also, is German Wikipedia hosted in Germany? If so, I'm surprised to find out—prior to this I thought everything (including foreign-language Wikipedias) was hosted in servers in the US. Best again, Tyrone Madera (talk) 16:08, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
@Tyrone Madera The soundtrack has two separate US copyrights, the original composition and the recording. The original composition, assuming this was published in the US at the same time as the film, will be out of copyright. The recording though dates from when? This determines when the recording becomes out of copyright in the US. The earliest date being 1 January 2022 if this is the original recording that accompanied the film in 1921. As the article talks about the score being lost and rediscovered in 2018 I suspect this is a much more recent recording and therefore still in copyright for a long time to come.
No, the German Wikipedia is hosted in the US. However the German Wikipedia does have different policies from the English Wikipedia about files used on it. For example the German Wikipedia does not allow fair-use files despite them being allowed on the English Wikipedia. Off-hand I don't know what the German Wikipedia policy on images that are only PD in the US. If they do accept US-only PD files you would need to upload it separately there. Nthep (talk) 16:57, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Nthep, Ah, I get it now. Thank you for your help! Do you know where I can get help figuring out the logistics of uploading files larger than 100 MB onto Wikipedia? Tyrone Madera (talk) 17:28, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
@Tyrone Madera No idea. Ask at WP:VPT to see if anyone there can help you. Nthep (talk) 17:54, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Bot not acknowledging fair use rationale


Hi. I am nonplussed about this revert by JJMC89_bot. The image File:Blue_book_cover.png has been a fair use book cover image since 2009, with fair use rationale and license template included. I changed the formatted and wording slightly after the bot tagged it so it matched other book covers I've uploaded. But I'm not sure what cased the bot to tag it. Maybe someone can plus me here? - Scarpy (talk) 19:52, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Scarpy. What that particular bot is looking for is a separate, specific non-free use rationale for non-free files being used in articles, and the way that it does this is by looking for WP:WIKILINK somewhere in a non-free use rationale which connects a file to a particular use per WP:NFCC#10c. When the bot first checked File:Blue book cover.png for a non-free use rationale for the file's use in GROW (support group), it didn't find any such link; so, it removed the file and left an edit summary linking to WP:NFC#Implementation. The bot should stop removing the file now that you've tweaked the non-free use rationale for that use on the file's page, by adding a link to the article. The bot isn't really able to assess whether a particular rationale is valid in terms of all ten non-free content use criteria; it just mainly is looking for files which don't comply with WP:NFCC#9 and WP:NFCC#10c. Checking for NFCC#9 issues is pretty straightforward, but checking for NFCC#10c is a little more tricky because the bot can't really read a file's page like a human editor might; so, it will not notice "non-link Wikilinks" to articles where a file is being used. I think that was what happened here. You could probably help avoid this in the future with other files you upload or have uploaded by using a template for the non-free use rationale instead or making sure to ensure there's an active Wikilink to the article where a file is being used somewhere in the rationale as shown here. Ideally, a human editor follows the bot around and looks at what it does to make sure there aren't any mistakes made; bots, however, work at much faster pace that we can and there can be a bit of a lag between the two. Perhaps this was also what happened in this case since it does appear that JJMC89 (the bots's operator) did go around and assess the file to check on the bot's work and saw the change you made to the file's page. What happened after that though has nothing to do with the bot. JJMC89 looked at the way the file was being used and felt that particular use didn't comply with relevant policy. There are ten non-free content use criteria (as mentioned above) and all of these need to be met for a use to be considered policy compliant. Providing a rationale is only one (actually just part of one) of the ten criteria, and doesn't automatically mean a particular use is policy compliant. Now, if you disagree with JJMC89's assessment, you can clarify why on the file's talk page. Some things for you to consider though are WP:NFCC#8, WP:NFC#cite_note-3, WP:DECORATIVE, WP:NFC#CS, WP:OTHERIMAGE and WP:NOBODYCOMPLAINED. Generally, non-free book covers like this are only allowed for primary identification purposes in the main infoboxes or at the tops of stand-alone articles about the relevant books themselves; it's not impossible to use such non-free content in other ways, but it becomes much harder to justify absent any sourced critical commentary about the book cover art itself. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Marchjuly The bot should stop removing the file now that you've tweaked the non-free use rationale for that use on the file's page, by adding a link to the article. Something deleted the file. JJMC89 I didn't see the comments you left. What were/are your objections? - Scarpy (talk) 05:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
@Scarpy: An administrator named Explicit deleted the file per WP:F7. If you want further clarification, you probably should ask Explicit about it on his user talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
The file was nominated for deletion for violating WP:NFCC#8. It was a book cover being used in an article about an organization. Such uses are considered pretty standard violations of policy, which is explained to a certain degree at WP:NFC#CS and WP:NFCI. A justified use of non-free content on GROW (support group) would be its logo, not one of the organization's book covers. plicit 14:18, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Explicit Thanks. (Unrelated, is there a reason you three tilde'd your signature)? - Scarpy (talk) 20:00, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Whoops, finger must have slipped. plicit 23:48, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Bizunesh Bekele & Yidnekatchew Tessema pictures. Old pre 1991 at least, do these old pictures have copyright? Can i upload them etc.



Greetings! I was reffered here by a Theahouse editor. I want to add pictures of 2 Ethiopian icons from the previous century, hoewever it's difficult to determine copyright. The rules are confusing.

Bizunesh Bekele (Singer) passed away in 1990, Yidnekatchew Tessema (Athlete & Sports pioneer) passed away in 1987. Both more than 3 decades ago. Are photographs not restricted to just 25 years? Like it implies right here >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Ethiopia ? i'm interested in adding pictures when they were at their prime, and thus younger and the pictures even older. Can i add picture citing fair use, or old age(public domain), or did i overlook something?

Bizunesh Bekele pictures [] & [] & []

Yidnekatchew Tessema pictures [] & [] & []


The pictures are all over the place with mutiple duplicates, i don't know who holds copyright if any. I don't know the date of the work but, except that it's when they were younger( estamite range from early 1940's to early 1980's. Appreciate your assistance. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 00:36, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Dawit S Gondaria, two things will be necessary in order to help you. First, please provide links to particular images, not just image searches. There is no way for us to know which image on the search you mean. Secondly, in order to determine the copyright status, we will need to know who the photographer was and where it was taken. If it is impossible to determine that, it may also be impossible to determine if the image is public domain. If we cannot definitively determine that an image is in the public domain, we presume that it is not. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:33, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello Seraphimblade thanks for the response. Regarding Yidnekatchew i reached out to a descendant about copyright, and permission on the use of picture. Hoping for a (good) response. As for Bizunesh Bekele i searched but couldn't find the copyright status or photographer of any picture, nor a descendant. She was active in the 60's and 70's [] and in 2012 a Ethiopian record label Nahom records re-released her old songs using this cover [] so maybe it's worth asking the record label, on the other hand she passed away 3 decades ago and most pictures look really old like for example on this [], hence the questions about the copyright of Ethiopia. There are also many of these same duplicates on Pininterest,facebook and basically all over the web. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 01:24, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Photo Upload


I am creating a wiki page on an audio engineer and I have permission from him to use a picture from his facebook page. How should I upload and is this. ok.  Preceding unsigned comment added by Yodeddy (talkcontribs) 20:49, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Yodeddy: Probably not, unless the copyright holder, who is normally the photographer, releases the image under a free licence we accept. And because as a previously published image, it needs to be verified. Details of how they can do that are on the Volunteer Response Team page. ww2censor (talk) 21:57, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
I added the Creative Commons copyright? Preceding unsigned comment added by Yodeddy (talkcontribs) 17:51, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Yodeddy: So who released the image under that CC licence you added? ww2censor (talk) 21:56, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

How does this file look?


Have I done my due diligence with this file? Thanks! Tyrone Madera (talk) 17:23, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Tyrone Madera, you almost have. One of the nonfree criteria in the rationale, however, is marked "n.a.". None of the nonfree criteria are ever "not applicable", so that needs filling in as well. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:28, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Seraphimblade, How about now? I've filled in the field. Weird that the upload wizard didn't prompt me to fill it in during the file upload. Best wishes, Tyrone Madera (talk) 03:13, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Yep, looks good now, and a use of one nonfree file to illustrate a subject for which creating a nonfree image isn't possible does in itself look to be appropriate. Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Seraphimblade, Awesome. Thanks!
P.S. Is it okay to solicit administrators/patrollers to review the file so that it could be marked as image has rationale, should it qualify, more speedily? Tyrone Madera (talk) 17:51, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

End of copyright


Hi all, the composer Frederic Austin died on 10 April 1952. Does the copyright of his work end on 1 January 2022, or on the anniversary of his death? Cheers, MinorProphet (talk) 19:03, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@MinorProphet The items will go out of UK copyright at the end of the 70th year after his death so they will be public domain in the UK as of 1 January 2023. US copyright of any of his works will depend on first publication. Also, any recordings of his works will have their own copyright - belonging to the recording artist. Nthep (talk) 19:18, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your swift reply. Could I ask a further question: What would the status be of a recording I made of a work by Austin which was never published, but only exists in manuscript? MinorProphet (talk) 23:50, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
@MinorProphet I don't quite understand your question so this reply may be less than accurate. You've made a recording of an unpublished Austin composition (which somehow you have access to the manuscript copy of)? Assuming my understanding is correct, then the unpublished composition will remain in copyright until 31 December 2039 (the UK so-called "2039 rule" - see File:UK non-Crown copyright flowchart.pdf so unless you have permission from whoever inherited Austin's copyrights (his heirs unless otherwise stated) then your recording is itself a copyright violation. If you did have permission to make the recording then assuming you are the producer (which the UK copyright act defines as "the person by whom the arrangements necessary for the making of the sound recording or film are made", then the copyright on that recording is yours and lasts for 70 years from the end of the calendar year in which you release the recording. This guidance note is a good guide. Note - I'm only addressing the UK position here, any other jurisdiction the situation may/will be different. Nthep (talk) 11:48, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks so much for your very helpful reply and the links. You are correct in your assumptions. Austin was my great grandfather, and the copyright is held by my dad, who inherited most of Austin's MSS from his uncle, Richard Austin. At his suggestion I have edited a number of the manuscripts for commercial CD recordings by professional orchestras including Spring, Richard II overture, the Piano Concertino, Pageant Music for the Festival of London, etc. The specific work in my question is a MIDI performance of Austin's unpublished Organ Sonata, using the freely available Jeux 1.4 soundfont by John McCoy. I uploaded it to either Commons or WP:en several years ago, but it was deleted over copyright concerns. I am hoping to upload it again (and perhaps other similar recordings from MSS) under a free CC-type licence. If this is possible, I would be grateful if you could please suggest which licence I should use. Perhaps I should get specific permission from the holder for performances of this type.
Further to your reply re the 2039 rule about unpublished works, can you confirm that the copyright holder would still retain copyright of Austin's unpublished MSS compositions until 31 December 2039, including the right to record and/or publish MSS works after 1 January 2023? Thanks for taking the time to answer my queries. Cheers, MinorProphet (talk) 14:46, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
@MinorProphet For recordings you make with permission, you can use any licence you wish but please note that all Wikipedia-compatible licences e.g. {{cc-by-sa-4.0}} give others the right to re-use your recording.
Until the copyright expires the copyright holder has absolute control over the use of the material published or not. All that differs is the date of expiry of the copyright on each individual work, the flowchart I linked to previously explains the various copyright expiry dates in the UK. Nthep (talk) 18:40, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Well, I think that clears everything up, for the UK at least. Thank you very much for your time and effort. Best wishes, MinorProphet (talk) 19:12, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

File:Gcmc-logo.png


Any opinions on whether File:Gcmc-logo.png needs to remained licensed as non-free? The country of origin seems to be the US and possibly Canada per General Conference Mennonite Church, and this is basically just a logo of simple shapes. Each individual element certainly seems to be too simple to be eligible for copyright protection in either country, but their combination does seem to have degree of creativity to it. I think if Canada followed a "sweat of the brow" approach, this would be easily copyrightable there; however, c:COM:TOO Canada seems to imply that Canada's TOO is closer to the US's than the UK's. Relicensing this as {{PD-ineligible-USonly}} is a possibility, but not necessary if {{PD-logo}} is OK for Canada. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:09, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Image of Dublin City Councillor and by-election candidate


Dublin City Councillor James Geoghegan was a candidate in the recent 2021 Dublin Bay South by-election.

Wikipedia has no photo of him, but at https://councilmeetings.dublincity.ie/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=843 there is an image of him: https://councilmeetings.dublincity.ie/UserData/3/4/8/Info00000843/bigpic.jpg

Do fair use rules allow this pic to be used in the byelection article? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:14, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry but no, it fails WP:NFCC#1 because he is still alive, so a freely licensed image could be created. ww2censor (talk) 21:21, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi BrownHairedGirl. It's important to remember there's a distinction being made between fair use and non-free content when it comes to Wikipedia. Wikipedia could most likely use such a photo as fair use, but relevant Wikipedia policy has been intentionally be set up to be more restrictive than fair use as explained in WP:NFC#Background. As Ww2sensor points out, non-free images of still living persons are pretty much never allowed per NFCC#1 (WP:FREER) except perhaps maybe in a case like the ones mentioned in item 1 of WP:NFC#UUI. One thing you might want to look into though is whether official photos of Dublin City Councillors are possibly in the public domain or otherwise have been released under an acceptable; for example, I think photos of UK MPs are released under a license that Commons accepts per c:COM:L, but that might be something done for only politicians at the national level. FWIW, I know Ireland isn't part of the UK, but maybe there's something in c:COM:Ireland that you'll find helpful. For example, official photos of national US office holders are generally considered to be within the public domain, and some US states (e.g. California and Florida) do the same at the state level as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:32, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Marchjuly that does not happen in Ireland, though FoP is quite open. Dublin County Council is not an Irish Government department or organisation, so they are not like UK MPs covered by the Open License. Their copyright terms are shown here https://www.dublincity.ie/using-dublincityie/terms-conditions which are of no use in this instance either. ww2censor (talk) 14:02, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
I wasn't sure either way, but thanks for taking the time to check on that and clarify things Ww2censor. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:39, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Can i upload this picture? Agegnehu Engida


This picture is a self portrait by a deceased Ethiopian painter(1950) from the year 1944 and is hanging in the National Museum of Ethiopia in Addis Ababa [] In https://www.jstor.org/stable/20447829 page 3 you can confirm it's from the year 1944. Can i upload this picture? Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 06:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

File:Whistl logo.png


This file was uploaded to Commons as c:File:Whistl logo.png, but it was deleted per c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Whistl post logo.png. The comment left by the deleting Commons admin was that the file could be uploaded to Wikipedia if deemed necessary, which is what seems to have been done. However, the file was uploaded under a {{PD-textlogo}} license which cannot be used if the file is not PD in both the US and it's country of origin the UK. If the file is really "PD-textlogo", it probably shouldn't have been deleted from Commons. The question I have is whether this would be OK to convert to {{PD-ineligible-USonly}} for local use on Wikipedia. It does seem for the most part to be OK as "PD-logo" per c:COM:TOO US with the only possible "creative" element being the "smiley face" dot for the letter "i". Even that, however, seems too simple to be eligible per US copyright law. If the opinion is that the png version is OK to license as "PD-ineligible-US only", then File:Whistl logo.svg should also be OK to be licensed the same way. There's no real difference between the two files other than the file format, and there's no real justification per WP:FREER for the svg to be non-free just based upon that alone. Anyone have any opinions on this? -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:09, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Update: File's licensing was converted to {{PD-ineligible-USonly}} by JJMC89. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:59, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

3 days to fix file "missing information on its copyright and licensing status"


Hello. A bot recently sent me this talk page alert User talk:Remando#File copyright problem with File:Recordings-of-prototypical-breathing-patterns-for-each-basic-emotion.png and now the image page File:Recordings-of-prototypical-breathing-patterns-for-each-basic-emotion.png has a warning saying that the image will be removed after Sunday July 18 2021 if not fixed. Only I am not clear on what information is lacking. Can someone please help clarify? In the meantime I will try to contact the owner of the file in person and make sure they are on board with the upload. Thanks. Remando (talk) 21:53, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Remando (talk) 21:53, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Remando: So, the image has no copyright license details and there must be one that copyright holder released the file under. Also the image will need a permission statement from the copyright holder of that license or evidence of the copyright has been transferred by legal means and then we require verification for the current copyright holder. ww2censor (talk) 23:19, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks @Ww2censor. I guess I had wrongly assumed giving credit was enough. I have tried to contact the most recent author but will probably have to let this lapse. Will be more careful in future! Remando (talk) 12:58, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Since the image was published, there is also the possibility that the copyright was transferred to the publisher. CapitalSasha ~ talk 17:31, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
That might apply if they were an employee of the publisher or it was a work-for-hire so long as they complied with the legal work-for-hire contract requirements. Neither seems likely to me but the country of origin may also affect that. ww2censor (talk) 21:42, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
It is common in academic publishing for the author to transfer the copyright to the publisher as part of (often as a condition of) the publication process. CapitalSasha ~ talk 22:49, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

File says non-commercial but also CC-BY-SA, which is correct?


Regarding this file, currently on Commons: File:Brazil_Product_Export_Treemap.jpg. The description says "R Haussmann, Cesar Hidalgo, et. al. Creative Commons 3.0 non-commercial license. 2012." but further down the page it says "This file is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license.".

Is this a problem? I know some files can be dual-licensed, is that the case here? If not, how do we determine the correct license for this file?

RudolfRed (talk) 01:21, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Since this is a Commons file, it might be better to ask about it at c:COM:VPC. However, the answer to this question might be found by looking at the file's edit history and also c:User talk:Doubleodd2#The Atlas of Economic Complexity. Non-commercial CC licenses are not compatible with c:COM:L as explained in c:COM:CC. In this file's case, it looks like the uploader originally uploaded to file as licensed, but it was tagged with c:Template:Npd by another editor a day later. The editor who tagged the file with npd, then removed that tag about a week later with the edit summary "Source site changed licence [sic] to one compatible with Commons". The source link atlas.media.mit.edu appears to now be for something else, but a March 2012 archived version can be found at here. If you scroll down to the bottom of that page, you'll see that it's released under a license that Commons accepts. Now, if you look at this February 2012 archived version, you'll see that the page was licensed under a ND-NC type of CC license which isn't acceptable for Commons; so, the licensing of the page was change somewhere between February 21, 2012 and March 18, 2012. My guess is that in the process of sorting this file's licensing out, everyone involved forgot to clean up the file's description by removing of at least clarifying the information about the NC license.-- Marchjuly (talk) 13:27, 17 July 2021 (UTC); [Note: Post edited by Marchjuly to strikethrough "[sic]" per comment left by Nthep below. -- 21:15, 17 July 2021 (UTC)]
@Marchjuly Complete aside but licence isn't a typo to British English speakers. Nthep (talk) 13:53, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for catching this Nthep. I should've checked that better. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:15, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
@Marchjuly: Thanks for that great explanation. RudolfRed (talk) 18:03, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
@RudolfRed: This file seems to be being currently discussed over on c:COM:VPC; so, you probably will have better luck if you ask for assistance there. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

File:Logo of the New Democracy (Greece).svg


File:Logo of the New Democracy (Greece).svg and File:New Democracy Logo 2018.png are essentially the same logo with the only difference being the file format and a slight difference in the shade of blue. The png was uploaded to Commons in 2018 and the svg uploaded locally as non-free content back in May. I can't see any reason why these both shouldn't be licensed the same way; in other words, they should either both {{PD-textlogo}} or both be {{non-free logo}}, shouldn't they? If the only reason the svg version needs to be licensed as non-free is because it's svg, then that would fail WP:NFCC#1 since a non-vector PD version would work just as well as a vector non-free version. It possible the uploader of the svg version just picked a non-free license because they thought that what needed to be done. Is there really any copyright related reason why the svg needs to be non-free? --

For the interested


Wikipedia_talk:File_Upload_Wizard#Ensuring_compliance_with_wp:FUR Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:01, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Officer's Choice logos


File:Officer's Choice logo.jpg and File:Officer's Choice Blue logo.jpg are both being used in the article Officer's Choice. The red script logo seems to be PD in the US, but I'm not so sure about c:COM:TOO India which means that {{PD-logo}} might not apply. Even if it's still protected in India, however, this seems to be certainly OK to convert to {{PD-ineligible-USonly}}. The blur logo, on the other hand, is a bit more complex though not by much. The only possible copyrightable element might be the "grain" imagery beneath the brand name. Is this bit enough to push it above c:COM:TOO United States or can this one be converted to "PD-ineligible-USonly" too? If the blue one needs to remain licensed as {{Non-free logo}}, then I don't think it can be kept because I'm not seeing how it meets WP:NFCC#8 or possibly even WP:NFC#cite_note-4; so, converting it to some sort of PD seems to be the only way to keep the file. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:07, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2021 July 20 § Henry Kulka images


 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2021 July 20 § Henry Kulka images. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:07, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Michael Cutter character photo for actor Linus Roache


Noticing there was no photo for the actor Linus Roache, I entered onto his page a link of the photo of the actor from the page for Law & Order character Michael Cutter, Roache's most famous role. However the "JJ89MC Bot" removed it from Roache's page due to "Removed WP:NFCC violation(s)", yet the photo remains in use on the Cutter page. Either the Cutter page should not have the photo as well or the bot's action should be corrected. Jyg (talk) 14:56, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

We require a separate rationale for each use of a non-free image, so likely the bot removed it from Roache's page as there's no rationale for it. Now, before you go adding it there, that for illustrating living persons, we do not allow the use of non-free imagery unless there's exceptional reason for it; this is a requirement from the WMF on the basis that as long as someone is living, we can likely get a photo of them. The image on the character page is appropriate since the article is only about the character, which will only be available in copyrighted images (from the show, etc.). --Masem (t) 15:05, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
@Masem, Thank you for explaining. After reading that and the notes on the photos itself, in short: the image of Roache is a screenshot from the show and therefore may only be used within articles directly associated with the show. . Jyg (talk) 16:49, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

File:Disney Frozen 2 promotion brands.jpg


Is File:Disney Frozen 2 promotion brands.jpg acceptable under CC BY-NC-ND 2.0? Or does it fall under fair use because of its incorporation on copyrighted promotional artwork? Wingwatchers (talk) 18:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

@Wingwatchers: The file you’re asking about is uploaded to Commons. You can ask about it at c:VPC if you want, but neither Commons nor English Wikipedia accept NC-ND types of licenses of any type; so, such a license wouldn’t be acceptable per either c:COM:L or WP:COPY#Guidelines for images and other media files. Moreover, Commons also doesn’t accept any type of fair use per c:COM:FAIR, and files uploaded under a claim of “fair use” usually end up being speedily deleted. Wikipedia, on the other, does accept certain types of copyrighted content as non-free content, but Wikipedia’s policy is much more restrictive than fair use as explained in WP:NFC#Background. Do you want to know whether you can use this photo on English Wikipedia? That’s a bit tricky to answer because I personally think there are issue with the Commons file per c:COM:Packaging that need to be sorted out and that the file will likely need to be deleted if those issues can’t be resolved. — Marchjuly (talk) 20:21, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
@Marchjuly: Sorry for the type, the correct license is Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic, would that be ok to use? The image is from Flickr . Wingwatchers (talk) 20:57, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
That particular license is typically OK for Commons and Wikipedia, but in this particular case I don't think it's sufficient on its own. As a posted I above, I think there is a problem with the file for the reasons given in c:COM:Packaging. This photo is, in my opinion, a derivative work which means there are two copyrights involved: the one for the photo itself and the one for the products being photographed. Both of these need to be taken into account for Commons to keep the file. The person who took the photo owns that copyright, but they don't own the copyright on the product packaging. So, the license they've released the photo under only applies to their photo. Now, they could probably claim they uploaded the photo to Flickr under a claim of fair use for the packaging if pressed on the matter or they could simply change the license to a NC-ND type and not get in any trouble, but that doesn't work for either Commons or Wikipedia; both require that freely licensed content be 100% free with respect to all possible copyrightable elements. So, Commons cannot, again in my opinion, keep this file unless it can be shown that the copyright holder of the product packaging has also given their c:COM:CONSENT. It might be possible to upload this photo to Wikipedia, but in that case it would be treated as non-free content because it's not 100% free. The current licensed used on Commons would be OK for the photo, but a non-free copyright license and non-free use rationale would also need to be provided. Figuring out the license is fairly straightforward (Template:Non-free product cover would probably work fine), but the tricky part is writing a valid non-free use rationale since a separate, specific and valid non-free use rationale needs to be provided for each use. It's the valid part that is tricky because there are ten specific criteria that need to be satisfied for a non-free use to be considered valid. Given the way the file is currently being used in Frozen II#Marketing, I think it would be hard to justify the file's non-free use; however, it would be OK to use such an image in a stand-alone article about either product itself if such an article could be written per WP:NPRODUCT. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:38, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Removed. Wingwatchers (talk) 00:16, 21 July 2021 (UTC)