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(Previous casepage is at Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/24.68.2.110)
FYI for anyone familiar with this one, they were almost exclusively editing from IPs in or around Victoria, B.C. on Cox Communications, but are now apparently at the University of Western Ontario on the 129.100.xxx.xx range. I've knocked out two already, but perhaps a rangeblock is in order if this keeps up. (short version: they have a large set of articles in which they like to change the colors in the climate boxes. That is literally all they do. They make no effort to hide and are extremely obvious. It's tedious more than anything else.) Beeblebrox (talk) 21:44, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Aaaaaaand they are back on the west coast and back on Shaw Communications IPs. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:12, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
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The following eight discussions have been archived and should be removed from Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/List:
- india against corruption sock-meatfarm
- jesuisbilly
- komail shayan
- malusia22
- schwabacher vandal
- scibaby
- thomas.alrasheed
- vnisanian2001
I already posted them in Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/Archive.
Additionally, I posted at Wikipedia_talk:Long-term_abuse/Scibaby that someone should blank his page. Someone added an archive tag, but did not blank. I still recommend blanking. 2620:8D:8000:10D5:C4A0:B6FC:B66B:A381 (talk) 15:45, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
FYI, I found the eight by copying and pasting all the names from Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/List and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Inactive_project_pages?from=Lo, then comparing the two lists in Excel. 2620:8D:8000:10D5:C4A0:B6FC:B66B:A381 (talk) 15:48, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Not done: 
On hold -Lemonaka 12:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
Done -Lemonaka 21:13, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
RFC on marking the Long-term abuse page as historical for declining involvement, and to also deny recognition to vandals
- The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
One thing leads to another. I saw a bunch of LTA pages that should have been archived and requested that to be done .
Looking at the discussion, I saw that one admin recommended that the page be marked historical due to a relative lack of recent edits over the past 7-8 years .
I think Wikipedia has gotten better at preventing long-term abuse, so the number of LTAs has declined in the past few years. Many vandals also celebrate the recognition they get from these kinds of pages. The Long-term abuse page should be marked as historical. What do you think? 2620:8D:8000:10A6:71B7:9282:F1A9:BA79 (talk) 20:54, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose The page is incredibly useful for identifying and keeping track of the vandalism patterns of the LTAs so we can block any new socks of them. interstatefive 22:21, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Can you give an example? SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:45, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not Interstatefive but I'd say WP:LTA/HOY has helped me identify a lot of Piermark sock puppets. -- Shadow of the Starlit Sock 23:31, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- Can you give an example? SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:45, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per Interstatefive. Jusdafax (talk) 22:56, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. LTA is mostly operated on sub-pages, so the number of edits to this page is not particularly relevant. By the same logic, Wikipedia:Village pump isn't looking too active either. Not only that but the pages need to be judged by usage instead of edits. I've been doing this a while, and I don't see anything to suggest that the number of LTA users (or even page users) is declining. LTA is far from a historical phenomenon. And when we see someone "celebrate the recognition", that's often taken as a queue to altogether avoid recognising them. Lots don't want the recognition. Lots who do don't get it. -- zzuuzz (talk) 23:38, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- IPs should not be welcome in projectspace. If you want to contribute to Wikipedia backroom process talk, register, so that we know who you are. If you have previously registered you are violating WP:SOCK by editing projectspace while logged out. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:47, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support per reasons provided by nominator Jack4576 (talk) 01:03, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose, need ways to track their abuse in case they show up again. Heart (talk) 01:07, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per zzuuzz; the edit history does not particularly indicate abandonment to me, and it is only meant to be used sparingly anyways. Theepicosity (talk) 01:12, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose because a lag, of any duration, in abuse does not signify measures against abuse should be relaxed or dropped - or even mummified in the History museum. There is absolutely no technical or procedural need for what is proposed here. -The Gnome (talk) 08:42, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose: If the use of this page has declined, that can also simply be a sign that we got better in stopping vandalism early. That still doesn't mean the page is obsolete, because new stuff can still be hidden somewhere deep in an article, and then we have to list that to get even better at fighting it: Vandals sometimes change their methods, and then we have to learn about these methods, and the best place to do that is right on this page. Qxyz123 (talk) 19:23, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose marking historical, as the pages here are still in use. I do think, however, that there is a legitimate discussion to be had about reforming this page as I think the process could be better structured and more useful. This is still very much rough ideas rather than a firm proposal, but in my opinion we should be looking at merging these pages into SPI as "notes" subpages attached to cases. By doing this they could better serve as records of behaviour that is useful for identifying socks, we could remove a lot of the duplication of efforts that leads to outdated information ending up here (e.g. I don't see the point in maintaining a list of accounts at SPI and a duplicate of that list at LTA) and we would avoid splitting information across multiple places. This would also bring the pages under the control of the SPI clerks, who are best placed to deal with sockpuppet related pages and could merge/redirect/blank/delete the pages as required. As an example of the kind of implementation I have in mind: Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/ItsLassieTime could be moved to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ItsLassieTime/Notes, the table of accounts and IP's would be removed from the page as being redundant to the SPI archive, so we would end up with just a list of behaviour to look for. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 17:16, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Strong oppose LTA pages are still being used, with the most recently created ones being WP:LTA/HOY and WP:LTA/LB2. Not to mention as Interstatefive mentioned the LTA cases are useful to keeping track of long term vandals so new socks are dealt with quickly and efficiently. -- Shadow of the Starlit Sock 23:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose – my LTV submission above is contemporary and plenty valid. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment It's snowing hard, should we close up? interstatefive 18:12, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
I started to notice that Zhmailik and Zhoban are in the wrong order. In the LTA unsorted case list, Zhoban is before Zhmailik. However, in alphabetical order, Zhmailik is before Zhoban. I suggest the unsorted case list to be in alphabetical order.
218.212.76.59 (talk) 02:46, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Hey, I noticed AudiGuy-1204 LTA and found an error. It reads AudiGuy-1024 instead of AudiGuy-1204. 119.75.204.218 (talk) 04:28, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- It is on the LTA list, not the actual LTA title. 119.75.204.218 (talk) 04:29, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- Done by Vanjagenije. 119.75.204.218 (talk) 04:33, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
“ Usernames and edits can often be derogatory to Asians.” should be changed to “ Usernames and edits can often be derogatory to East Asians.”. 2603:8001:8400:DC34:FC99:CC60:E776:8381 (talk) 18:43, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Should we do a case about a Canadian IP troll that targets anti-vandalism editors? signed, 64andtim (chat) 20:38, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Just report any new IP addresses to WP:AIV. Or I guess you could tell me what IP range they're on, and I can range block them. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:49, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
I'm putting together an LTA report relating to WP:ANI#West Papua copy-paster, see User:ActivelyDisinterested/LTA Sony Esau Mbisambo. It seems necessary as the edits can be seen in good faith, andany different admins have come across them without realising the history. Just looking for advisement as I've not had to deal with this before. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 18:16, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Would anyone object to me doing an AWB job to replace all the archived pages tagged with {{historical}} with a clearer tag? I already did so here but didn't know there were many. QueenofHearts 07:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- Please do not do that unless there is a positive consensus first. Saying "This page is currently inactive and is retained for historical reference" (permalink) is nicely low-key. By contrast, the clearer tag of "This page has been blanked to deny recognition. The latest revision of this page before blanking can be found here" (permalink) is very much over-the-top IMHO. The wording says that it is denying recognition but it is doing the opposite. Fussing over LTAs and micro-managing their shrines is a very bad idea. Johnuniq (talk) 07:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello, as a sysop from English Wikiquote, I'd like to say this LTA is active currently in that project. Is there anyone who are familiar with him, e.g. commonly used IP ranges or behaviours in addition to :<? -Lemonaka 13:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- He mostly uses VPNs. I know of some IP ranges used, but I can't tell them to people who aren't CheckUsers. The global privacy policy forbids that. Other vandals sometimes mimic his behavior, so screamy vandals who use emoticons are not automatically him. If you're not sure, or you want to block the IP ranges involved, you could ask a CheckUser to look at the accounts. If your wiki doesn't have any CheckUsers, maybe something could be worked out. If I don't have to do a massive amount of checks there, I could volunteer to be one of the two CUs (by global policy, each wiki must have at least two CheckUsers). Preferably, this would be on a time-limited basis (like a six month or year-long grant of the CU user right). That should give you enough time to find someone else locally who could take over for me. Or you could ask a steward to run a check. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- @NinjaRobotPirate I tried to reintroduce Checkuser to English Wikiquote, but we cannot get at least 25 votes from registered users to appoint two checkusers. -Lemonaka 14:23, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- There's always the stewards, then. I'm sure the stewards will tell you if the load gets too tedious for them. I guess that'd be the time to hold local CU elections. I'm not a steward, so what I can do is a bit limited. However, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nate Speed/Archive and Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Nate Speed should tell you quite a bit. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 15:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- @NinjaRobotPirate Hi, I got an idea, you may discuss with Koavf when possible since he is a cross-wiki checkuser and a sysop there. -Lemonaka 23:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- @NinjaRobotPirate I tried to reintroduce Checkuser to English Wikiquote, but we cannot get at least 25 votes from registered users to appoint two checkusers. -Lemonaka 14:23, 10 April 2024 (UTC)