Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums

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I'm not sure if this has been discussed before but changed how they display chart information; locking most in-depth information (that was previously free) behind a membership paywall. This has entirely destroyed Template:Album chart on billboard links. I've noticed the usually has a cached copy of an artists old page that has all the pertinent information in it though.RF23 (talk) 22:53, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

This has happened before, but the free links came back... we'll see what happens. I've said previously that I expect in time that all chart providers will stop making their chart information free,and Wikipedia will have to work out a way to get round that. Richard3120 (talk) 14:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, I pointed it out a ways back. So far, things haven't changed much since the info can generally be verified through other means. (You can still look it up indirectly by band/musician and see how they performed by chart, and for some reason, their paywall loads up like a half of a second after the page loads, so a carefully placed "stop loading command" on a browser makes it so the paywall doesn't pop up.) Sergecross73 msg me 14:54, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
For Billboard chart info, what's the difference between using a source that's behind a paywall or, say, one of Joel Whitburn's books? Just because the average Joe can't verify the info doesn't mean it's not verifiable. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 17:41, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm not saying there is one. I was just saying that there were ways around the paywall. Sergecross73 msg me 18:06, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

LGBT-related albums

The category "LGBT-related albums" was deleted per a CfD on 11 Oct 2014, but this has just resulted in many albums and EPs being placed in the parent Category:LGBT-related music. Either the albums sub-cat should be recreated or the album articles should be removed from the parent category for the same reasons the albums category was deleted. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 20:09, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:A Thousand Pictures

This was created by a likely COI editor who has since been topic-banned from the artist. I don't know if it's of interest to anyone here, to me the sources don't come anywhere near being enough, but I kind of feel like even a COI editor's work is worth someone who has knowledge of the subject taking a look at. —valereee (talk) 12:17, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, the Allmusic source is good, (though that pull quote is way too long) but I'm not sure about those other two sources. I wouldn't say it's enough as is. I don't know enough about jazz to fix it up, but I think there are some regulars around who know the area better. Sergecross73 msg me 13:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Extra AFD input - Danko Jones EP

If anyone could give any more input at the AFD for Danko Jones (EP), I'd appreciate it, no matter what your stance. It didn't sit right with me when it was initially closed as "no consensus" - I could be wrong, but this doesn't particularly strike me as contentious or controversial nomination - it's just suffering from low participation. AFD link here. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 16:37, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Album "label"

For some time now, a relatively new editor has been going around changing the label among other things in the infobox/lead/release history section of various BTS articles. I thought I/the editor(s) who wrote/brought the relevant articles to GA listed everything correctly, but this person says we're wrong/have been making continuous mistakes, so I would like some clarification please because it's been bothering me a lot. I'll link this album's credits for reference (I don't use Discogs since I own most of the albums myself, but it's convenient for my question), and it's WP article. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 08:51, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Interested to see an answer here. The article for Universal Music Group says "The biggest music company in the world,[5] it is one of the "Big Three" record labels"? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:58, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Anyone? The albums I've looked at don't have Universal Music Japan on them. They only say UMG, which is what I had put on some articles, but the editor I mentioned above has changed a lot of those mentions (if not all) to UMJ instead, so I'd really appreciate some insight. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 08:08, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm assuming that there are no clear third party reliable sources for the labels, so use the albums themselves as the sources (with Template:cite AV media notes). As per Template:Infobox album#label, "Only the record label that the album was originally released on should be specified." Others may be mentioned in a "Releases" section if noteworthy. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:18, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
@Ojorojo: for the above-mentioned eg, I think I listed the labels as UMG/Def Jam/BH Ent per the album's back liner (I didn't use cite av media notes though so I'll have to rectify that) but they changed UMG to UMJ, in the Rel History section they changed it to Def Jam/Virgin only (with zero mention of BH Ent which is the artist's home label and all releases have that name on it), and you can see what they said in their edit summary. They've done this across multiple album+single articles. Even when I double check the physical albums I own and make corrections, they just come back and remove a label that should be there, or they'll change it to a diff one based on what they think it should be, and I'm at the point where I feel really stupid and anxious now, like I've been doing this wrong the entire time. Could you tell me what you would put as the labels in both the infobox and the Rel History section? I think that's the easiest way for me to know the exact info I should extract from any album in future. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 16:57, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
You may be dealing with disruptive editing, so check the advice at WP:DE. I don't know enough about BTS or Korean labels, etc., to sort out the original vs other releases. This is something more appropriate for their or their discographies talk pages, which seem to get a fair amount of attention. Good luck. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:13, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Metal reviews

Just noticed that an article for The Crimson Corridor was created. Some of the review sites seem a bit suspect, but then again, many sources for metal articles feel that way. Any comment on the sources there? Should we modify Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians/Article guidelines to make this more clear? Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:01, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Definitely agree that there's some sketchy sources present. "Angry Metal Guy", for one, just appears to be a bunch amateur bloggers with their sole "credential" being "liking metal a lot". I'm not really following what you want to do at the Musician's article guidelines though. Is that the right link? Or am I misunderstanding something? Sergecross73 msg me 02:50, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

The Vinyl District

Hi all. Would this source be considered reliable? Thanks! – zmbro (talk) 15:53, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Cool site! Yes, at least I would say so. Their about page doesn't list any editorial staff, but the article you linked to and the one on Exile on Main St. are written by a named person (Michael H. Little), not some hip pseudonym like "vman" or something. That's the same guy on both (and several other) articles, but I also see Evan Toth and a couple of other names, besides "TVD HQ". I detect no user-generated content, IAC.  JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 04:03, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm leaning toward No. I think I've actually removed a ref to it before, that was tied to simply a grade, no prose. It's primarily a commercial (advocacy?) site, even if it is directing people toward independent record stores. I agree that there's no indication of editorial oversight, or if any of the writers are more than just superfans. Completely subjective, but that Exile review doesn't add anything that dozens and dozens of "better" sources haven't already pointed out. Happy to change my opinion if another editor knows more about it. Caro7200 (talk) 12:58, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Categories on compilation albums

For Bills & Aches & Blues, I added nationality categories (e.g. Category:Compilation albums by Canadian artists) for all the artists contributing to the album, coming to nine of the thirteen categories of the page. Probably should've asked at the time, but the thought crosses my mind now as I'm working on another comp article: Is this proper form? Should those categories be removed/not added to other articles?

Secondly, for May the Circle Remain Unbroken: A Tribute to Roky Erickson, I added Category:Roky Erickson albums, seeing as all the songs on the album are ones he wrote being covered by other artists. Do artist categories only apply for albums recorded by said artist, or would this belong as well? QuietHere (talk) 17:32, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

For the first, I'd say that's overcategorization. To me that's no different than categorizing it under Category:Dry Cleaning (band) albums for the one song they contributed to the comp. For the second, Category:Roky Erickson tribute albums would be the way to go. Thanks. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 17:53, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Definitely agree with Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars on the second one – Category:Roky Erickson albums should only be for albums actually by Erickson, in my opinion. I think I agree with their view of the first question as well. Richard3120 (talk) 17:56, 27 July 2021 (UTC)