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Tom Atkinson - sources?
Tom Atkinson is an unsourced cricket article I've found while looking at Cumbria articles for WP:FEB24, the unsourced articles backlog drive.
The content is:
- Tom Atkinson (27 September 1930 – 2 September 1990) was an English first-class cricketer who was born in Millom, Cumbria, and died in Glasgow. He played for Nottinghamshire County Cricket Club from 1957 to 1960 as an opening bowler and middle/lower order batsman. He was a right-handed batsman and right-arm fast medium bowler.
Can anyone here please find a source to add? Thanks in advance! PamD 14:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- I've added a basic statistic source. It wouldn't be sufficient to save the article from an AfD, but it proves his existence at least. Harrias (he/him) • talk 14:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, it's enough to clear him out of my WP:Petscan listings! I've added {{Refimprove}}, because as you say he needs more sources ideally. PamD 15:41, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- For almost every man who's played for Notts, this is a good source of information - and will certainly indicate if there's virtually nothing known about a player. The chances are that it's based on Peter Wynne-Thomas' books in many cases - if it wasn't written directly by him. I'll add a little more in now from there are CricketArchive. Blue Square Thing (talk) 12:09, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- If there aren't enough good sources to pass WP:GNG, then a redirect to List of Nottinghamshire County Cricket Club players#A would be the most sensible outcome (and this is the general outcome for cricketers not notable enough for their own article). Joseph2302 (talk) 12:18, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- There's a Wisden obituary, annoyingly in the "wrong" year's book. I've worked it up - I think there's plenty and there's lots to suggest that there would be a lot more in other sources. Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:23, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
I've left some comments about whether Jos Buttler article is still GA-worthy or not (in my opinion, it's not) at Talk:Jos Buttler#Still a GA?. Probably the best people to work on it would be from this project, so giving you all a heads up. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:26, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- Agree. It's a long way off what would qualify as being GA-worthy. Think back in the day this was @Harrias' baby, so dropping him a ping. AA (talk) 22:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Dharmaraja–Kingswood Cricket Encounter#undefined
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Dharmaraja–Kingswood Cricket Encounter#undefined that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 15:18, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Just wondering what everyone's thoughts are toward the following linked articles found in the "List of Big Matches" section of the Big Match. To me, they seem to be a collection of match reports and stats which violate WP:NOTSTATS. They don't seem notable enough, anyone else agree? AA (talk) 23:22, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed, seems to be a violation of WP:NOTSTATS and don't look to be notable. Feels a bit needless as well. Hamza Ali Shah Talk 23:45, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Introduction:
The Inaugural edition tournament will see teams comprising of legendary stars from five biggest Asian cricketing nations Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan, compete in a thrilling tournament, taking place from March 13 to March 21, 2024.
The tournament is scheduled to be held from March 13 to March 21, 2024. The league is organized by World Sports Group Private Limited and will feature five teams: Afghanistan Pathans, Indian Royals, Pakistan Stars, Bangladesh Tigers, Srilankan Lions
The Asian Legends League T20 (ALL T20) is a cricket league that aims to bring together legendary cricketers from Asia and provide an opportunity for fans to witness their favourite players in action once again. The league will be hosted in Dambulla Cricket Stadium (Sri Lanka).
Objective:
The objective of ALL T20 is to provide a platform for retired Asian cricketers to showcase their skills once again, while also giving fans and opportunity to relive the nostalgia of watching these legends play. The league will aim to promote the sport of cricket in the Asian region and provide a competitive platform for players to showcase their abilities.
Official Website: https://www.allt20.asia/index.php
Format of the Tournament :
The ALL T20 will feature four teams, each consisting of legendary players from Asia. The teams will play against each other in a round-robin format, followed by the Playoffs with the final.
The 5 teams will battle out each other in 10 league matches where every team will play once with every other team. The Rank 4 and Rank 5 team will play for Eliminator 1, Rank 3 and winner of Eliminator 1 will play for Eliminator 2. Rank 1 and Rank 2 will play for Qualifier 1 and Qualifier 2 will play in between winner of Eliminator 2 and Looser of Qualifier 1 and their respective winners will qualify for the final.
Vikas265 (talk) 13:08, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
The ICC website has recently (in the last year) switched its url format from https:/www.icc-cricket.com/media-releases/######## to https:/www.icc-cricket.com/media-releases/name-of-article.
This seems to have killed plenty of citation links.
CarnivalSorts (talk) 16:56, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
I have nominated List of Indian Premier League seasons and results for featured list removal. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:48, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
(I don't know if this has been brought up before too; I'm sorry if it has and I'm just repeating)
I think it is about time we start using the term "men's" in certain article titles and prose text similar to how "women's" is used currently. I propose this to cover mainly series/tournament articles (e.g. Australia men's cricket team in England in YEAR) and stats articles (e.g. List of men's Twenty20 International records). There has been a trend recently to use more gender-neutral terminology in certain parts of cricket-related articles (like maiden century/five-for stat mentions in match summaries, usage of terms like "ODI" over "WODI" in series articles et cetera), and a progression from that to a slight addition in the main article titles/headings might be a welcome change. ICC and a number of leading cricket boards already mention either gender when applicable in their articles and other releases; articles about sports like field hockey and basketball in English Wikipedia have also been doing something similar for some time, and I feel like cricket can start going in that direction too. I'll be glad to know what others think about this. Thank you.
Pinging @Bs1jac, @Cric editor, @Godknowme1 মাশ্ফী※Mashfi (ETP) 18:55, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- I certainly think things like List of Twenty20 International records, and the lists of umpires and grounds in each format should have "men's" in the title. Also team pages (e.g. Australia national cricket team) should have "men's" in the title.
- I am not so sure about tournaments or series. Probably should treat men's and women's the same way though. Bs1jac (talk) 19:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- I too agree about the "men's" to be appended to the national teams' titles. And about tournaments I guess we can make changes based on what ICC calls them, since the 2023 edition the Cricket World Cup too has gender specification in its title. Cric editor (talk) 02:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Generally, the men's team are the primary topic, which is why we have e.g. England cricket team not England men's cricket team. And this is also the case with most men's cricket series- they continue to get way more coverage in general than women's series. Adding men's violates WP:CONCISE and looks to be an attempt to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Generally but it cannot be assumed to be true by default. The Thai women's team gets a lot more coverage than their men's one, but we still have Thailand national cricket team and Thailand women's national cricket team.
- Certainly agree that national team's titles should be separated, tournament names should follow ICC naming for each event. CarnivalSorts (talk) 15:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Generally, the men's team are the primary topic, which is why we have e.g. England cricket team not England men's cricket team. And this is also the case with most men's cricket series- they continue to get way more coverage in general than women's series. Adding men's violates WP:CONCISE and looks to be an attempt to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I too agree about the "men's" to be appended to the national teams' titles. And about tournaments I guess we can make changes based on what ICC calls them, since the 2023 edition the Cricket World Cup too has gender specification in its title. Cric editor (talk) 02:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Similar to the Mashfi23's query about adding "men's" to certain article titles, I have another thing that I would like to be considered. Why do we use denonyms for men's bilateral tours, but the nation for women's tours. e.g., England women's cricket team in India in 2023–24 and English cricket team in India in 2023–24. As well as the potential to add "men's" to the title, I feel we should be consistent and start saying "England (men's?) cricket team in VENUE in YEAR".
It is of course refering to THE England/Australia/India etc (men's) national team rather than AN English/Australian/Indian team. Plus we don't use the denonym for certain teams as it is (e.g., New Zealand) Bs1jac (talk) 19:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- The usage of demonyms is arguable, we use these demonyms only in the case of men's tours and we use the other way you mentioned for women's tours. I think there should be uniformity among these type of articles, it should be either demonyms across both or neither. Cric editor (talk) 02:59, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Since we use only the nation name when used with the gender term (women's), we can very well look to use the term for men too and stop using demonyms in those titles to go along with Bs1jac's preference. মাশ্ফী※Mashfi (ETP) 07:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- We should be consistent with country or denonyms (although New Zealand is mostly used as a denonym on Wiki anyway), my personal preference would be the country so England cricket team in India in 2023–24. I'm sure I raised this issue years ago, and we didn't do anything about it. But we should treat this issue separately to the men's or no men's in names above, otherwise we'll end up conflating the 2, and probably nothing will get consensus. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Since we use only the nation name when used with the gender term (women's), we can very well look to use the term for men too and stop using demonyms in those titles to go along with Bs1jac's preference. মাশ্ফী※Mashfi (ETP) 07:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi, wondering if anyone has more sources on Frederick Capron - the notability claim is that he played 2 first class games for the MCC but in a period before "first class" as a term was officially used. Thanks. JMWt (talk) 11:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi. A new T10 league has been launched by Cricket Scotland. Here's some coverage about the tournament, with the inaugural season in August 2024. Since it is not a league with T20 status, I'm just asking the WP:CRIC members whether the sources contribute towards WP:GNG or not. Can it be created as an article? I've created it as a redirect page for now and will decide if content can be added based on the opinions of cricket editors. Thanks. RoboCric Let's chat 15:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- This project shouldn't be an indiscriminate collection of hit-and-giggle competitions from all over the world. Keep it encyclopedic and based on the ICC definition of official cricket, otherwise we just devalue our overall content. AA (talk) 16:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- WP:TOOSOON to tell whether WP:GNG will be met. There have been countless planned events like this that have never actually happened (e.g. Euro T20 Slam that was supposed to start over 4 years ago). As such, I'd say wait until at least August. wjematherplease leave a message... 20:01, 28 March 2024 (UTC)