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Monmouthshire listed buildings

Grade II* listed buildings in Monmouthshire is up as a Featured List candidate, here, FLC. If it makes it, I think Monmouthshire will be the only English or Welsh county with Grade I and Grade II* listed building lists that are both Featured and have articles and images for every entry. All comments very gratefully received. KJP1 (talk) 17:59, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Done. KJP1 (talk) 22:11, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Notification of discussion on deleting all local government subdivision articles

There is currently a discussion going on at WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom regarding a proposal to delete all articles on individual local government subdivisions. Please feel free to participate in this discussion. Sparkle1 (talk) 19:44, 3 April 2020 (UTC)


Thankfully, we have 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Wales!

I've created a short article on the Nifer yr achosion o'r Gofid Mawr (COVID-19) yng Nghymru (stats on cywiki), and an English one would be good. Also, we have Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data/United Kingdom/Scotland medical cases but, so far, no Welsh equivalent. If someone has the time, then please let's get the coverage on Wales done asap; this is the worst nightmare to hit Wales since the war. People are searching for correct information relevant to our country and often find irrelevant and incorrect info on the 'England' dressed up with the word 'UK', usually thanks to the BBC. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 07:18, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

For future reference, could you please translate "Nghymru Nifer yr achosion o'r Gofid Mawr (COVID-19) yng Nghymru" for English speakers? Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:10, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
As it's a request for a translation from Welsh -> English I didn't think it needed translating, but in brief it's an article on the stats pertaining to Wales. It contains info which will be updated twice weekly, if not daily, with numbers of deaths, tests etc. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 13:48, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Aren't there other more suitable places for tickertape updates of current events? Sionk (talk) 17:42, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
We are here to build up the "sum of all human knowledge". Most people would say that this pandemic is historic and worth recording. It's also extremely important that unbiased, apolitical, factual and up-to-date information is included within that 'knowledge'. There are many COVID-19 projects on the Wikimedia projects to ensure that this happens.
If you want to call the number of people infected, and the number of deaths as 'tickertape' info, that's up to you. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 08:33, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
I'm sure there would be very little objection if you were to start the article yourself - a straight translation of the Welsh article would be fine. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:04, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Wales GAR

Wales, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. buidhe 18:54, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:National Assembly for Wales proposing:

National Assembly for WalesSenedd

Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. Llew Mawr (talk) 19:06, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Also: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_May_6#Television_program(me)s where it is proposed to move Category:Welsh-language television programmes to Category:Welsh-language television shows as part of a drive towards standardising on US terminology. Deb (talk) 13:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Principality of Wales

Could we have some more eyes on this article? I reverted a recent addition of a Coat of Arms used by some late medaeval Princes of Wales and made the case on the talk page. We've got one editor who has forgotten about WP:BRD so I've tagged the article as disputed for the moment. I think there could be a case (although I am dubious) for the arms of Edward of Caernarfon but there is no reason to arbitrarily choose one coat of arms out of the several used by various occupants of the post. Either way it's not a major issue but some more views would be welcome -----Snowded TALK 18:29, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

AMs or MSs for former members

Some very well meaning individuals have changed almost every mention of AM to MS including for people like Jane Davidson who retired in 2011.

Has there been any discussion of this? To me it seems ridiculous to refer to individuals such as Jane Davidson, Rhodri Morgan etc as former MSs.

Littlemonday (talk) 10:01, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

I agree. Is it just an over-zealous editor doing this? Sionk (talk) 01:42, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks and I hope so. I've changed one or two back, but don't want to potentially start an edit war with them. I've mentioned it on (User_talk:Vaze50) and will wait for a responce before undoing any more edits. Littlemonday (talk) 12:09, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Missing communities

Of of around 878 communities around 17 are missing;

  • Aberaman South
  • Aberdare West
  • Baglan Moors
  • Forden with Leighton and Trelystan
  • Llanfihangel Cwmdu with Bwlch and Cathedine
  • Mountain Ash West
  • Risca East
  • Risca West

And then the following are redirects only

Although the number has gone down a lot in recent years it would be good if we could bring it down to 0. In addition to that there is also Uzmaston and Boulston that is a former community and Abermule with Llandyssil that should probably be merged with Llandyssil since that's the name of the community. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:42, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

The article St Davids covers the fact that it is a community, albeit one with an extended name; an article for the community would be surplus to requirements
The redirects in Pembrokeshire could at some point have their own article; but then there are many Pembrokeshire villages that are either stubs or have no article at all (Uzmaston and Boulston was a short-lived community); they could have their own article if enough information surfaced to make them notable. Being a redirect is not necessarily a Bad Thing, though. Tony Holkham (Talk) 18:49, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Tony. There's little point in creating stub articles for some of them, because there's little sourcable or useful information to impart. Some of the Rhondda Cynon Taf and southeast Wales communities are do-able though, so don't let me hold you back. Sionk (talk) 19:23, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
I was under the impression that "St David's and the Cathedral Close" isn't an alternative name for "St David's" but rather a different thing given that it includes "and the Cathedral Close" in the name and includes other places and Ramsey Island. But its possible that it is still an alternative name and thus might be surples. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:03, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
True, St David's and the Cathedral Close is the name of the community and stretches well beyond what most people would recognise as St Davids (or the Cathedral Close for that matter). There would be an argument (that I'd support) for splitting some of the info currently in the St David's article, into a St David's and the Cathedral Close article. From what I remember, I held back from doing this because the history/politics is a bit complex. Sionk (talk) 21:03, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Related to that, our articles for Laugharne (the town) and Laugharne Township (the community) were recently merged; discussion is on the talk page of the former. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:26, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
@Sionk: I noticed that St David's (Pembrokeshire electoral ward) exists that you created a few years ago. The article notes (and I have verified from City Population) that the community and ward have the same boundaries therefore we could just move that article to "St David's and the Cathedral Close". Alternatively we could just move most of the content for the community to the ward article which would probably be fine especially since if the ward boundaries later change we could spit the community from it. There was discussion on having separate articles at Talk:St Davids#St David's and the Cathedral Close back in 2009 when it was moved to that title. It was noted that the city status is held by the community but that is in line with Brighton/Brighton and Hove for example. As you can see from List of smallest cities in the United Kingdom the settlement only makes up 1.29% of the area of the community. I'll leave a note on the article's talk page about this. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:16, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
I would hope there would be space for a city article, a community article and a ward article. Probably the ward is the weakest of the three, I know there are a few editors that are gunning for electoral ward articles at the moment, many of which are just collections of voting/election stats takemn from the local authority website. I just found it a little boit fascinating that an electoral ward covered an entire city! But neither the ward, community or settlement share both the same name and boundary, so I wouldn't support a merger. Sionk (talk) 21:17, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
@Sionk: so we should have 3 articles? Given that the community and ward boundaries are the same it would seem normal to have them in 1 article which is what seems to have been done with the other wards that have the same boundaries as a community though Amroth (electoral ward) is separate despite having the same boundaries as the community. I have no objections though so if you think we can have 3 you can create an article for the community, otherwise we can just have 1 article for both. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:20, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
I don't know where this conversation is going. Communities aren't wards. The St David's ward has a different name from the community, to boot. Some wards have separate articles, others don't, generally because no-one has had the time or inclination to write an article yet (and sometimes because the ward is completely un-notable). I've written a good few articles about Wales communities and wards. If anyone wants to write a St David's and the Cathedral Close article, I'm not stopping them. Sionk (talk) 20:39, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
OK, I'll move most of the info for the community into the ward article then. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:54, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Why? Sionk (talk) 11:11, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
That does sound like an unnecessary action. Deb (talk) 13:13, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Because the community and ward should probbaly be handled in a single article since identical boundaries. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
I've moved Abermule with Llandyssil to Llandyssil (community). Considering we already had an established article on that community, there was no need to merge it with the article about the village of the same name. Sionk (talk) 22:59, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Black Book of St David's 1326

I'm curious about this work, mentioned in an archaeological study here. There doesn't seem to be anything about it on WP, unless I'm not looking properly. Anyone know? Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:56, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

That is curious. I would have doubted the source but it's referred to in several books. There doesn't seem to be an article on Welsh Wikipedia either, so probably worth asking User:Jason.nlw. Deb (talk) 13:22, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
I have not found anything that supports the Private Limited Company has 'charity number' 504616, finding nothing on a search of the Charity register for . Clearly a business, possibly a reliable source.SovalValtos (talk) 18:06, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
Definitely a reliable source, I would say, and used a great deal on WP. They are listed here, and do a great deal of work with and for CADW. They quote their sources, too. T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 18:26, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Here are some mentions:


Tony Holkham (Talk) 18:44, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Category:Welsh-language television shows has been nominated for discussion

Category:Welsh-language television shows has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Deb (talk) 08:07, 5 July 2020 (UTC)