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English: Tomb of Lord Dacre and his son, All Saints, Herstmonceux. However, believed in fact to represent Thomas Hoo, Baron Hoo and Hastings KG (c. 1396–13 Feb 1455). On his tabard he shows the arms of Hoo quartering St Omer (1st and 2nd quarters only visible here). Quarterly sable and argent (Hoo); Azure, a fess between six cross-crosslets or (St Omer, a Hoo heiress - Sir William Hoo (1335–1410) married Alice de St Omer, daughter and co-heiress of Thomas de St Omer (of Mulbarton, near Norwich in Norfolk) and his first wife Petronilla (Pernell) Malemayns).

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The brothers Thomas Hoo, Baron Hoo and Hastings (c. 1396–13 Feb 1455), KG, and his half-brother Thomas Hoo are believed to be represented by the two recumbent effigies now on the Dacre Tomb at All Saints Church, Herstmonceux , Sussex . [1] In its final form the tomb ostensibly commemorated Thomas Fiennes, 8th Baron Dacre (d. 1534) and his son Sir Thomas Fiennes (d. 1528), but the figures themselves were apparently brought from Battle Abbey (?following its sale in 1539), where they had formed part of an older monument to the brothers Hoo. [2] During restoration of the monument this was confirmed by underlying evidence of the heraldry of the tabards, and by the presence of a knightly Garter (mostly removed) appropriate to Lord Hoo but not to these Fiennes. The evidences for this are expertly described by the restorer. [3] The heraldry of the Hoo family and its antecedents is understood from surviving seals and from manuscript sources formerly in the custody of Sir Francis Carew of Beddington , Surrey and of Jonathan Keate, Bart. [4] [5]

The heraldry worn by the figures of the tomb was interpreted lastly by Wilfrid Scott-Giles , Fitzalan Pursuivant Extraordinary . The tabard of Lord Hoo and Hastings shows quarterly sable and argent (for Hoo), quartered with azure, a fess between six cross-crosslets or (for St Omer), with, on an escutcheon of pretence , azure, fretty argent, a chief gules (for St Ledger). (This is the same as in the patron image in the "Hours of Lord Hoo".)

The tabard of the younger Thomas Hoo shows the arms of Hoo quartered with a bearing depicting a lion rampant, with a chief , with the arms of St Omer on the escutcheon of pretence. This lion was formerly taken to be the arms of Welles ( or a lion rampant double queued sable ): [6] which, however, if so, should have lions with two tails, and would allude to the marriage of the elder brother, not relevant to the younger Thomas Hoo.

The learned Herald suggests instead, that the Lord Hoo may have quartered his arms with those of an extinct family of Hastange or Hastings ( azure, a chief gules, over all a lion rampant or ) when becoming Lord Hoo and Hastings, and that this coat, with an escutcheon of pretence for St Omer, was depicted for the younger Thomas Hoo on this monument to denote his association with the Lordship of Hastings. The monument has been repainted to represent this interpretation. [7]

However this problem is older than the riddle of the tomb figures. The lion rampant, with a single tail but without the chief, is quartered with Hoo, with escutcheon of pretence for St Omer, in the original seal of Thomas Hoo the younger attached to his feoffment of 1481, and also recorded as having been appended to his own testification of his pedigree. [8] In the same way, the armorial roll seen by Sir Henry Chauncy before 1700, which had descended in the Carew family, concluded in its third membrane with the arms of Hoo impaled with Welles, "but" (wrote Sir Henry), "the Coat is mistaken, for the Lyon should be with a double Tayl". [9]
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  1. Image at Geograph.org.uk . Another at flickr by poundhopper1.
  2. J.E. Ray, 'The parish church of All Saints, Herstmonceux, and the Dacre tomb', Sussex Archaeological Collections LVIII (1916), pp. 21-64, at pp. 36-55 (Internet Archive).
  3. G. Elliott, 'A monumental palimpsest: the Dacre tomb in Herstmonceux church', Sussex Archaeological Collections 148 (2010), pp 129-44. (Read at thekeep.info pdf ).
  4. cf. Harleian MS 381, item 41, at Catalogus Librorum MSS Bibliothecae Harlaianae I, p. 229b (Internet Archive). Described by Chauncy, Historical Antiquities of Hertfordshire , p. 511. Chauncy's identification of the marriages of Lord Hoo's parents and grandparents is correct, but the punctuation of his original edition, in describing the different coats in the Keate MS, may have given rise to confusions. It is more clearly printed in the 1826 edition, Vol. II, pp. 405-06 (Google).
  5. Two seals are engraved in Cooper, 'Families of Braose and Hoo': others are shown in the Medieval Genealogy website, including a charter of 1366 with seals of Sir William de Hoo and Dame Alicia (St Omer) de Hoo [1] , and a grant of 1372 Huntington Library, San Marino BA v.48/1464 with seals of Sir Thomas de Hoo and Isabella (St Leger) de Hoo.
  6. Ray, 'The parish church of All Saints, Herstmonceux, and the Dacre tomb', pp. 36-55. See Chauncy, Historical Antiquities of Hertfordshire , p. 511.
  7. Elliott, 'A monumental palimpsest', p. 139.
  8. Cooper, 'Families of Braose and Hoo', pp. 126-27 (Internet Archive).
  9. Chauncy, Historical Antiquities of Hertfordshire , pp. 404-06 (Google).

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